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		<title>Comment on FLDS Child Dehydrated and Malnourished while in State Care by Tony Clayton</title>
		<link>http://bedrockof87.wordpress.com/2008/06/27/flds-child-dehydrated-and-malnourished-while-in-state-care/#comment-81</link>
		<dc:creator>Tony Clayton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Feb 2009 12:50:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think its awful what they did.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think its awful what they did.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Election Diversity: We&#8217;ve Come a Long Way &#8230; or Have We? by johnrpack</title>
		<link>http://bedrockof87.wordpress.com/2008/07/08/election-diversity-weve-come-a-long-way-or-have-we/#comment-80</link>
		<dc:creator>johnrpack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jul 2008 01:29:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Diverse candidates offering the same tired “borrow and spend” or “tax and spend” policies of the past are not the diversity I’m interested in.  Could we have some candidates who will offer to shrink government spending?  The diversity I&#039;m interested in is one of ideas -- not just one more politician who thinks another government program will solve the crisis-du-jour.

We have no right to expect a different outcome if we keep voting the same way for the same kinds of candidates.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Diverse candidates offering the same tired “borrow and spend” or “tax and spend” policies of the past are not the diversity I’m interested in.  Could we have some candidates who will offer to shrink government spending?  The diversity I&#8217;m interested in is one of ideas &#8212; not just one more politician who thinks another government program will solve the crisis-du-jour.</p>
<p>We have no right to expect a different outcome if we keep voting the same way for the same kinds of candidates.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Ferraro, Obama, and Mormonism by bedrockof87</title>
		<link>http://bedrockof87.wordpress.com/2008/07/06/ferraro-obama-and-mormonism/#comment-78</link>
		<dc:creator>bedrockof87</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jul 2008 05:35:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Old Guy,

In my opinion there is a significant difference between referring to &quot;the more &#039;fundamentalist&#039; segment of the Mormon church&quot; and referring to two different churches each with its own separate leadership and membership. In line with a comment I made in a previous post, referring to a fundamentalist segment of the Mormon Church is similar to referring to Lutherans as a segment of the Catholic Church. I think such a statement brings more confusion than clarity to the issue. 

The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints did actually abandon plural marriage based on theological revelation (that was not accepted by those who later founded The Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints). The revelation is described in the following quotation: &quot;I should have let all the temples go out of our hands; I should have gone to prison myself, and let every other man go there, had not the God of heaven commanded me to do what I did do; and when the hour came that I was commanded to do that, it was all clear to me. I went before the Lord, and I wrote what the Lord told me to write&quot; (http://scriptures.lds.org/en/od/1).

Bill Keller was the source of the “Vote for Romney is Vote for Satan” quotation. Just to be clear, my post did not claim his quotation appeared on the Huckabee website. And, yes, I hope that his opinions and the opinions expressed in the &quot;Mormon garbage&quot; quotation are not opinions accepted in the mainstream of American thought. The &quot;Mormon garbage&quot; quotation appeared as a signed posting on Huckabee&#039;s website (see my previous response for details). 

Thanks for your post.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Old Guy,</p>
<p>In my opinion there is a significant difference between referring to &#8220;the more &#8216;fundamentalist&#8217; segment of the Mormon church&#8221; and referring to two different churches each with its own separate leadership and membership. In line with a comment I made in a previous post, referring to a fundamentalist segment of the Mormon Church is similar to referring to Lutherans as a segment of the Catholic Church. I think such a statement brings more confusion than clarity to the issue. </p>
<p>The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints did actually abandon plural marriage based on theological revelation (that was not accepted by those who later founded The Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints). The revelation is described in the following quotation: &#8220;I should have let all the temples go out of our hands; I should have gone to prison myself, and let every other man go there, had not the God of heaven commanded me to do what I did do; and when the hour came that I was commanded to do that, it was all clear to me. I went before the Lord, and I wrote what the Lord told me to write&#8221; (<a href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/od/1)" rel="nofollow">http://scriptures.lds.org/en/od/1)</a>.</p>
<p>Bill Keller was the source of the “Vote for Romney is Vote for Satan” quotation. Just to be clear, my post did not claim his quotation appeared on the Huckabee website. And, yes, I hope that his opinions and the opinions expressed in the &#8220;Mormon garbage&#8221; quotation are not opinions accepted in the mainstream of American thought. The &#8220;Mormon garbage&#8221; quotation appeared as a signed posting on Huckabee&#8217;s website (see my previous response for details). </p>
<p>Thanks for your post.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Ferraro, Obama, and Mormonism by bedrockof87</title>
		<link>http://bedrockof87.wordpress.com/2008/07/06/ferraro-obama-and-mormonism/#comment-76</link>
		<dc:creator>bedrockof87</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jul 2008 04:49:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lucy,

Here is the full citation from a hardcopy I made and still have in my possession. 

&quot;Colasurdo, Chase
12/18/2007 02:00 AM

As evangelicals we cannot stand for this mormon garbage to get into office. They even believe Jesus and Satan were brothers.

My vote is gods vote, Huckabee 08!&quot;

I personally saw this post still on Huckabee&#039;s website more than three months after the date listed on the post, which was long after many others had written about it.

As one of many examples of people who commented on the above post, please see http://www.article6blog.com/?s=mickelson. 

I think your healthy skepticism about the above post is a reaffirmation that a sense of social decency would call for such a statement to be removed from a presidential candidate&#039;s website once the statement has been discovered.  Thanks for posting your comment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lucy,</p>
<p>Here is the full citation from a hardcopy I made and still have in my possession. </p>
<p>&#8220;Colasurdo, Chase<br />
12/18/2007 02:00 AM</p>
<p>As evangelicals we cannot stand for this mormon garbage to get into office. They even believe Jesus and Satan were brothers.</p>
<p>My vote is gods vote, Huckabee 08!&#8221;</p>
<p>I personally saw this post still on Huckabee&#8217;s website more than three months after the date listed on the post, which was long after many others had written about it.</p>
<p>As one of many examples of people who commented on the above post, please see <a href="http://www.article6blog.com/?s=mickelson" rel="nofollow">http://www.article6blog.com/?s=mickelson</a>. </p>
<p>I think your healthy skepticism about the above post is a reaffirmation that a sense of social decency would call for such a statement to be removed from a presidential candidate&#8217;s website once the statement has been discovered.  Thanks for posting your comment.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Ferraro, Obama, and Mormonism by OldGuy</title>
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		<dc:creator>OldGuy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jul 2008 04:43:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting perspective.  But I need some clarification:  Is there really much difference between a &quot;fundamentalist segment&quot; and an &quot;offshoot&quot;of mainstream Mormonism?  And in actual fact, maintream LDS abandoned plural marriage only as a way to gain statehood, and not from any theological revelation - the &quot;fundamentalist segments&quot; simply reject the compromises made to be accepted and have returned to core Mormon values.

As for the Huckabee quote, I, too, would like to see referenced citation.  I for one did a quick search of the internet and found the quote comes from Bill Keller, a fundamentalist (not mainstream) preacher (see http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=55642)
The only reference to Huckabee I found came from an unsigned post on an offshoot message board.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting perspective.  But I need some clarification:  Is there really much difference between a &#8220;fundamentalist segment&#8221; and an &#8220;offshoot&#8221;of mainstream Mormonism?  And in actual fact, maintream LDS abandoned plural marriage only as a way to gain statehood, and not from any theological revelation &#8211; the &#8220;fundamentalist segments&#8221; simply reject the compromises made to be accepted and have returned to core Mormon values.</p>
<p>As for the Huckabee quote, I, too, would like to see referenced citation.  I for one did a quick search of the internet and found the quote comes from Bill Keller, a fundamentalist (not mainstream) preacher (see <a href="http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=55642)" rel="nofollow">http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=55642)</a><br />
The only reference to Huckabee I found came from an unsigned post on an offshoot message board.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Ferraro, Obama, and Mormonism by lucywilson</title>
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		<dc:creator>lucywilson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jul 2008 02:44:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bedrock, could you just clarify the statement that 
&quot; Mike Huckabee’s official website carried for over 3 months a blog entry stating that Evangelicals must not allow “Mormon garbage” to be elected.&quot;  I do not recall ever seeing that statement on Huckabee&#039;s website.  Can you provide the exact statement and its context?  If you cannot, might I suggest you abstain from such statements.  Perhaps I am wrong, but would like to see your evidence.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bedrock, could you just clarify the statement that<br />
&#8221; Mike Huckabee’s official website carried for over 3 months a blog entry stating that Evangelicals must not allow “Mormon garbage” to be elected.&#8221;  I do not recall ever seeing that statement on Huckabee&#8217;s website.  Can you provide the exact statement and its context?  If you cannot, might I suggest you abstain from such statements.  Perhaps I am wrong, but would like to see your evidence.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Texas-Sized Double-Standard in Dealing with FLDS by blackthourne</title>
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		<dc:creator>blackthourne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jun 2008 05:02:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well stated.  Unfortunately Judge Judy won&#039;t be losing her position I am sure, though she certainly needs to have her judgement called into question.  The FLDS need to cultivate a more open door policy with the rest of the world if they wish to avoid such a circumstance again, nevertheless, the state of Texas far overstepped their bounds when they removed the children on account of a phantom phone call.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well stated.  Unfortunately Judge Judy won&#8217;t be losing her position I am sure, though she certainly needs to have her judgement called into question.  The FLDS need to cultivate a more open door policy with the rest of the world if they wish to avoid such a circumstance again, nevertheless, the state of Texas far overstepped their bounds when they removed the children on account of a phantom phone call.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Virtual FLDS Petition by goesdownbitter</title>
		<link>http://bedrockof87.wordpress.com/2008/05/24/virtual-flds-petition/#comment-27</link>
		<dc:creator>goesdownbitter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 May 2008 12:44:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I posted here about the feelings in the Bitter Hinterlands about this case. We are wondering who is next to lose their children to an ever increasing Nanny State.

http://goesdownbitter.wordpress.com/2008/05/25/kids-alone/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I posted here about the feelings in the Bitter Hinterlands about this case. We are wondering who is next to lose their children to an ever increasing Nanny State.</p>
<p><a href="http://goesdownbitter.wordpress.com/2008/05/25/kids-alone/" rel="nofollow">http://goesdownbitter.wordpress.com/2008/05/25/kids-alone/</a></p>
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		<title>Comment on When FLDS Children are MIA or WIA by johnrpack</title>
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		<dc:creator>johnrpack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 15:44:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don’t think I’ve seen a more thorough analysis of the mistakes being made in the FLDS case in Texas than I have here.  While the plight of these families and children is agonizingly apparent, the media misses the injustices in hundreds of similar, one family cases.  Every day there are parents who are unjustly separated from their children by unsubstantiated allegations of abuse – often from anonymous sources.  As a society we can’t afford to deny parents (and their children) the due process of law just because we suspect problems.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don’t think I’ve seen a more thorough analysis of the mistakes being made in the FLDS case in Texas than I have here.  While the plight of these families and children is agonizingly apparent, the media misses the injustices in hundreds of similar, one family cases.  Every day there are parents who are unjustly separated from their children by unsubstantiated allegations of abuse – often from anonymous sources.  As a society we can’t afford to deny parents (and their children) the due process of law just because we suspect problems.</p>
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